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Matt and Melanie adopted Veronica after her birth mom handpicked them to be her parents. When Veronica’s biological father, Dusten, was notified about the adoption four months later, he decided he wanted to raise her, even though he had little involvement during the pregnancy and with the birth mother since Veronica’s birth. Dusten, who is part Cherokee Indian, was able to reclaim his daughter pursuant to the Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA), which was enacted “to protect the best interests of Indian children and to promote the stability and security of Indian tribes and families.” Devastated, Matt and Melanie petitioned the United States Supreme Court to regain custody of Veronica. Should she be returned to them, or should she remain with her biological father? Dr. Phil, along with Troy Dunn, who has reunited thousands of lost loved ones on his hit TV show The Locator, delves into this controversial story. And, Chrissi Nimmo, assistant attorney general for the Cherokee Nation, and Les Marston, attorney and tribal judge, explain why they believe Veronica’s father is the best person to raise her. Then, find out why Johnston, who adopted two boys who are part American Indian, says the ICWA is racist, unjust and hurts children.
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Replied By: alphak555 on May 2, 2013, 8:42PM
I was shocked with a couple of things dr Phil said! One statement was if a father signs away his rights to the mother , the mother can do what she wants with the child! It's not a car or a dog!
The father signed his rights away with the intention of knowing the mother was bringing the child up! Maybe the two fought and he knew there would be conflict which is not good for the child! A mother does not have the right to place a child with strangers without the fathers know,edge and consent! This is wrong!
The adopted parents knew the situation when the child was a young baby! When the father found out at 16 weeks he fought to get his child! The adopted parents should have found out what their odds were and made the decision before the child reached 2 years old when the impact is greater!
The man with the 2 sons is a different matter and should have been given the right to adopt the boys!
The couple running away and hiding should consider this is not a good atmosphere to bring up a child! Sometimes you have to make a hard decision! This couple is a worry with guns and dogs! What, they will shoot it out if the police arrive! Bloody stupid and irresponsible!
Dr Phil your wrong, a mother can't do what she wants even if the father is not involved in the child's life! It's not property and there are many reasons why a father may not want to stay in touch with the mother of the child! She may be a little nuts!
The father signed his rights away with the intention of knowing the mother was bringing the child up! Maybe the two fought and he knew there would be conflict which is not good for the child! A mother does not have the right to place a child with strangers without the fathers know,edge and consent! This is wrong!
The adopted parents knew the situation when the child was a young baby! When the father found out at 16 weeks he fought to get his child! The adopted parents should have found out what their odds were and made the decision before the child reached 2 years old when the impact is greater!
The man with the 2 sons is a different matter and should have been given the right to adopt the boys!
The couple running away and hiding should consider this is not a good atmosphere to bring up a child! Sometimes you have to make a hard decision! This couple is a worry with guns and dogs! What, they will shoot it out if the police arrive! Bloody stupid and irresponsible!
Dr Phil your wrong, a mother can't do what she wants even if the father is not involved in the child's life! It's not property and there are many reasons why a father may not want to stay in touch with the mother of the child! She may be a little nuts!
Replied By: paulab12 on Apr 1, 2013, 1:52PM - In reply to carobu
Firstly he did not sign away his parental rights this was proved in th South Carolina Supreme Court case. Secondly the birth mother testified that not ony did she know he was a registered tribal member but she told the adoption agency and the paps he was and this would cause problems with the adoption. I am sorry nut tey can't ave a child naturally they aso don't have the right to steal one either.
Replied By: carobu on Mar 1, 2013, 4:35AM - In reply to paytonslogic
You state the show had lies but not what the lies were. Fact if the child was white she would not have been returned to the father (as the lawyer stated) because of the laws in that state would consider he had abandoned the child. Fact the representatives from the tribe confirmed that he had turned over his rights to the mother therefore her decisiom should be final. Fact it wasnt deciphered whether this man actually lived any of his life as an indian especially as the mother didnt know he was indian. Fact why did the child's indian % have more importance than her hispanic side.
Replied By: paytonslogic on Feb 24, 2013, 9:14PM
Mr. Phil, this story was completely botched and you should be ashamed for your part in it. The family that was going to adopt (btw it wasn't finalized) have no rights to someone else's child and I know for a fact that they will never get her back and the father should make sure he doesn't include them in her life. They are liars, manipulators, and emotionally vindictive.
Mr. Phil, making a joke about the young Native boy's lost of heritage isn't funny. Underminding the rights of a father by saying he wasn't perfect is also riduclous. HE IS HER FATHER. People like the adoptive parents need to learn how to lick their wounds and move on. I'm white and will say that I've noticed many white people can't handle when they don't get what they want. Just because you can't have a child yourself and bond with one and have delusions about being a family, doesn't give you the rights to ruin another family for you selfish reasons and drag out legal proceedings. STAY OUT OF HER LIFE. If this was a white child being returned to a white family I doubt people would be questioning Veronica's safety. This whole show was dishonest. Lastly, the adoptive father of the two boys said that the children were also german and I forget what else, as if that matters. He is forgetting that in the US Native Americans are a sovereign nation. You can't equaty them to a separate country outside of the US. That arguement didn't make sense. I'm tired of broken people clinging on to what's not theirs. Hopefully your should will be cancelled in the coming years. I hate lies.
Mr. Phil, making a joke about the young Native boy's lost of heritage isn't funny. Underminding the rights of a father by saying he wasn't perfect is also riduclous. HE IS HER FATHER. People like the adoptive parents need to learn how to lick their wounds and move on. I'm white and will say that I've noticed many white people can't handle when they don't get what they want. Just because you can't have a child yourself and bond with one and have delusions about being a family, doesn't give you the rights to ruin another family for you selfish reasons and drag out legal proceedings. STAY OUT OF HER LIFE. If this was a white child being returned to a white family I doubt people would be questioning Veronica's safety. This whole show was dishonest. Lastly, the adoptive father of the two boys said that the children were also german and I forget what else, as if that matters. He is forgetting that in the US Native Americans are a sovereign nation. You can't equaty them to a separate country outside of the US. That arguement didn't make sense. I'm tired of broken people clinging on to what's not theirs. Hopefully your should will be cancelled in the coming years. I hate lies.
Replied By: katc85 on Feb 21, 2013, 8:40PM - In reply to skphillips123
I am sorry about your mother, but you need to realize yes they had the act after but now its 2013 it really does need to be updated. Sure there may be some who will do this but its not like it use to be. Y I don't like the fact that any child gets molested but think of the positive side, she got out of that horrible place because she married the man that her adopted father sent to and had you. So it can't all be bad.
Replied By: katc85 on Feb 21, 2013, 8:33PM - In reply to nativepride_1
Not all adoptive parents are cruel. Its true wasn't official, but how about the abandoned boys left alone in the apartment to fend for themesleves is that ok for them to take them back just because they finally could get their acts together? I am sorry about your families experiences. This is the problem with never getting out to explore the world. Everyone is one sided and never open to new things and besides the fact the act was made in 1978 means it needs to be updated to this day in age. Alot of Acts need to be updated cause they so old fashioned. We understand back then it was bad but now there more laws to stop abuse. So try to think both sides. True Dr. Phil could have been more opened minded for both sides. But the fact still remains was it really what was best for the child who has physical and emotional connections to the family. Even custody hearing there is some visitation rights. Why can't these adoptive family get that right too even if they have to have someone there to watch them at least they get to see her instead of making the poor girl think they abandoned her.
Replied By: katc85 on Feb 21, 2013, 8:21PM
I don't care if i am racist, but my daughter is part australia, american, american indian, welsh, british, spanish. So to defend mixed races, this is unbelievable that American Indians can use such an Act to say adoptive parents/ public and private practices exploit their children. All I see i you exploiting your own race. Taking them away from those who known them, but because of ICA that you can take kid cause of part of a race is ridiculous. Did you ever sit with the child and just ask them who would you like to be with?
The father, if he truly wanted this child why isn't there evidence of him providing for her when she was pregnant with the baby? He let her have the child, only as he saw fit, cause the baby wasn't adopted by their race he filed. We no more racist about our race than they are of their own.
I honestly think that yes your ancestors lost their land, but why keep bringing up the past on everything, life is way to short to keep grudges on everyone.
The father, if he truly wanted this child why isn't there evidence of him providing for her when she was pregnant with the baby? He let her have the child, only as he saw fit, cause the baby wasn't adopted by their race he filed. We no more racist about our race than they are of their own.
I honestly think that yes your ancestors lost their land, but why keep bringing up the past on everything, life is way to short to keep grudges on everyone.
Replied By: paulab12 on Feb 9, 2013, 2:29AM
Either the fatheRSI of children are responsible for the financial and moral upkeep of their children in which case they automatically get the same rights as mothers. Or mothers have sole choice on whether or not traise the father raise the child. If mothers don't want fathers to have rights then strike off all child support. Dusten brown has been sari sing his dauter without incident for a year personally I feel the potential adoptive fanote two was not brave enough to fight for his child should tell his wife that just because they are sterile doesn't give them the right to demand a fertile person to have a baby for them.
Replied By: mom2mna on Jan 22, 2013, 1:37PM - In reply to evelynmc
No- adoption is out there to find homes for children that need them....not to give parents who WANT children a baby. Adoption should always be about the best interest of the child....family preservation is preferable- but when that cannot be then adoption is a good option to care for the child.
What happens in situations like this is that the media simply shows the sad,sad story about the adoptive parents who are crying about losing the child and the media will show the bawling toddler who is torn from the arms of the 'only parents she has known'
What doesn't come out UNLESS YOU REALLY READ THE COURT CASES is that the adoptive parents didn't have a legal right but fought thru stays and appeals. They made it harder on the child they love. They knew from day one that there was a chance the father would seek custody and that he had Native American heritage. The parents should not be praised; they did not act in the best interest of this little girl; they acted as selfish people who thought they were better than someone else.
What happens in situations like this is that the media simply shows the sad,sad story about the adoptive parents who are crying about losing the child and the media will show the bawling toddler who is torn from the arms of the 'only parents she has known'
What doesn't come out UNLESS YOU REALLY READ THE COURT CASES is that the adoptive parents didn't have a legal right but fought thru stays and appeals. They made it harder on the child they love. They knew from day one that there was a chance the father would seek custody and that he had Native American heritage. The parents should not be praised; they did not act in the best interest of this little girl; they acted as selfish people who thought they were better than someone else.
Replied By: mom2mna on Jan 22, 2013, 1:29PM - In reply to fenwaypark9
Please read about the case from the court filings.
Dusten thought he was signing paternity papers to allow the ex-girlfriend to list him on the birthcertificate.He was hoping that she would change her mind and marry him. He didn't know where she or the baby was for months because she and her family lied to him.
Adoption agencies are in it for the money and routinely recommend that birthmom's do not tell the birthfather, say they don't know who it is or cross state lines to give birth in a state that has more restrictions. The mother and agency knew the father was Native American and told the prospective adoptive family that it could cause problems- the paps went thru with placement regardless of the warnings.
THE ADOPTION WAS NEVER FINALIZED. When Dusten learned about what happened he filed for paternity and custody. The Paps were informed of the custody filings and retained their own attorney to fight it. A responsible family would have arranged to work with Dusten to transfer the infant to him rather than fight alegal battle that eventuated into legalized kidnapping.
There are so many problems with adoption in this country that cry out to be corrected.
Take the $ out of adoption- it should not cost so much to adopt -and maybe agencies will act in the best interest of the child rather than their own pocket.
Have national adoption laws so that set standards- such as notice periods for birthfathers- are clear and the same across our country. When I was adopted the norm was to have infants in foster care until the period of time (which often was 90-180 days) when the mother's surrender was no longer rescindable. A humane 30 days should be an appropriate time frame. That way- adoptive parents have not bonded and will not be in the position to stretch out the time that the child stays with them while they cross file appeals in the courts. This was done in this case and other famous cases- Baby Richard and Baby Jessica are two very good examples from the 1990s.
If adoption is no a money making industry- alot of the unscrupulous acts will cease. This agency had been censored and fined by the state and had known about the Native American background- they admitted they told the prospective adoptive parents; why on earth did they release that child to their care with out meeting with the father? And lets keep in mind that expectant parents are just that- expectant- they should not be referred to as birthparents prior to the adoption being finalized.
Dr Phil- I was saddened by your staff's lack of research on the truth during this episode.
Dusten thought he was signing paternity papers to allow the ex-girlfriend to list him on the birthcertificate.He was hoping that she would change her mind and marry him. He didn't know where she or the baby was for months because she and her family lied to him.
Adoption agencies are in it for the money and routinely recommend that birthmom's do not tell the birthfather, say they don't know who it is or cross state lines to give birth in a state that has more restrictions. The mother and agency knew the father was Native American and told the prospective adoptive family that it could cause problems- the paps went thru with placement regardless of the warnings.
THE ADOPTION WAS NEVER FINALIZED. When Dusten learned about what happened he filed for paternity and custody. The Paps were informed of the custody filings and retained their own attorney to fight it. A responsible family would have arranged to work with Dusten to transfer the infant to him rather than fight alegal battle that eventuated into legalized kidnapping.
There are so many problems with adoption in this country that cry out to be corrected.
Take the $ out of adoption- it should not cost so much to adopt -and maybe agencies will act in the best interest of the child rather than their own pocket.
Have national adoption laws so that set standards- such as notice periods for birthfathers- are clear and the same across our country. When I was adopted the norm was to have infants in foster care until the period of time (which often was 90-180 days) when the mother's surrender was no longer rescindable. A humane 30 days should be an appropriate time frame. That way- adoptive parents have not bonded and will not be in the position to stretch out the time that the child stays with them while they cross file appeals in the courts. This was done in this case and other famous cases- Baby Richard and Baby Jessica are two very good examples from the 1990s.
If adoption is no a money making industry- alot of the unscrupulous acts will cease. This agency had been censored and fined by the state and had known about the Native American background- they admitted they told the prospective adoptive parents; why on earth did they release that child to their care with out meeting with the father? And lets keep in mind that expectant parents are just that- expectant- they should not be referred to as birthparents prior to the adoption being finalized.
Dr Phil- I was saddened by your staff's lack of research on the truth during this episode.






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