Baby Veronicas mother, who must not have had much money to begin with, will never have to pay that money back! If she does pay the money back, it will be a total surprise to me. Now, i did see a similiar case in court, here in North carolina, where a mother was getting money from the father of her child, child support. She also was receiving govt asst from the local social services dept, food stamps and i think a check for aid for dept children, this was many, many years ago now. the judge did n't like her little "game' she had to drop the asst and take the money. what she wanted was both, all she could get her greasy, greedy hands on...i went to school with her and she was known for being a 'bitch'. Now, I do know..in some  extreme cases, like maybe if the dad is disabled, on ssi, the govt can step in and "pick up his slack', poor choice of words, im sorry. This case with Veronica, it's pitiful anyway you look from it. I feel bad for the entire group of people involved. The mother, she seems to have wanted a better life for the child, which is stepping up and being responsible, she just went at it the wrong way.Now, human trafficking is not what i would think this falls under at all, totally different thing. Every child deserves the right to a good home, whatever their race or color or whatever they are.I do think some changes need to be made to this law, not everyone of these children born are all 1005 Indian, what about those mixed race? Don't those children deserve a good home, maybe with a parent who might not be the indian parent. What if the child was half white, could the white family raise the child if the mom gave it up to them? No!, not under this law.This is taking and placing children in homes that they might not be better off in, just because the color of their skin. I hate this law! i hate it hasn't been changed, it sucks for everybody involved. the indian nation will not run out of ppl, comeon. They are not all going to disappear and turn white or black on us.These ppl will not dissolve into something that will no longer exist.It needs to be some laws that dissolves though, like this one.

Searching for my daughters Grandfather, he dated my husbands birth mother by the name of Connie Ruth Betlock of Overland Park KS. My husband (Bradley Witschner) who is now deceased was born and given up for adoption at Shawnee Mission KS Hospital 09/25/1970. I have no idea what his birth fathers name is or even where he lived at the time. My daughters are still having a hard time with their fathers death and all they want is to know someone that is a part of him. We found Bradley's (my husbands) birth mother years ago and she wanted nothing to do with him and would not even give a medical background, which we also need. My husband had beautiful blue eyes and dark thick hair. If anyone can help we would greatly appreciate it, I wish I had more information.



Thank you

Yes that title sounds like this is going to be a story of only pain. But its not.  I know a lot of people wonder what they should do when faced with a pregnancy that wasnt planned. 

My birth mother gave me up when I was born.  I found her when I was about nineteen.  I thought it would be this momet of lightbulbs going off and complete understanding but instead I felt nothing. I wanted to feel something... A connection... Some sort of deep rooted subconscious knowledge of who this woman was.  But she was just a really nice lady who had given me life.  Getting to know my biological family was both frustrating and amazing.  I connected with my brother and my aunt. But was left with questions about who my father really was. 

I struggled my whole life with my  identity.  My adoptive parents with both caucasian and here I am the child of obviously mixed ancestry.  I knew i had some black heritage but it was hard to really find my roots.  It's sad because I spent my entire life feeling as if I didnt know who I was and feeling as if for some reason when I was born SHE just didnt want me!  Somehow I was at fault. Somehow I blamed myself for her givng me up.  It invaded my relationships... I became needy... I basically had a personality disorder. I cut myself. I hated myself. I couldnt accept me because she hadnt.  But finally after years of the brokenness I got pregnant. I wasn't married. My son wasn't planned. I was not in a good relationship.  My mothers words to me were, Give the baby up for adoption. And in that moment I knew I could NOT make the choice that she had. I could NOT give up a child just beccause th circumstances were hard.  I am glad I didn't.  Although there are moments when I think maybe he would have had it better. 

I no longer speak to my birth mother.  Somehow we never could find a connection.  There was something holding us apart.  I dont know what it is because I have since forgiven her for giving me up... But I do feel that her decisions brought us to this place.  She came back into my life only to hurt me more and that wasnt something I could tolerate. I wanted positive ppl in my life and so I eliminated her from it!  I have a family and one thing I can say is that I was blessed. I was given to the right family for me.  And my son was given to me because I was the right one for him.  To me... adoption is a brave choice.  I respect people who make that decision when its for the right reasons.  If you chose to adopt... do the research. learn about the childs background. Dont go into this without the knowledge necessary. If you are caucasion and plan on adopting a child with african american heritage learn about their hair... please!  MY parents almost destroyed my hair.  lol.  Anyways... just wanted to tell my story kinda! 

i thought it would be interesting for you to see what i am talking about. my ex-husbands cousin has written a book about his experience of growing up a s an Indian, when actually he is a black man. It's called the "Walker family history". i read what was online, I never bought the book. I should buy the book, for my son to know what's really been going on for all of these years. one thing that i also found was some of the census that were done, his great grandparents were wtote up as black. The army , which my sons great grandfather served in, also has him as a black man, not mixed, not white and not indian but a black man. many of these same people, this family , married closely to their family. They all actually married into their family. i was not aware of this until deep into my marriage and questioned some things that i was wondering about, like why do they all look just a like, the girls and boys, the sisters, cousins, momma and dads, all looked just a like! I was told by my ex MIL that this was done to keep the race of their people the same, not to change things by getting with someone of a different color, so they all married their kin folks, which were black anyway!! Of course, many of them today stillcclaim to be Indian that are not, some like the fellow who wrote that book, well he figured it out when he got older and now claims to be a black man, like he should, like they all should.When you hear phrases like "good hair', that's not something indian people say, that's a black thaing, we all know that. That is something that is important to this family,"good hair". they will do anything to make it grow and for it to be straight but it's not working too good for them. Now, most of the younger generations have all married to blacks, not Indian, not whites. i was an exception, cause i am white. My son was treated like royality, because of his 'good hair", white skin and his good looks. It was a real shame the difference his grandaddy made with him compared to all the other grandchildren, who were black. Even when they married black people and have children, they claim the children as indian, not black. What a shame. they look nothing at all like indian, yet they are claiming it everyday! These same people, talk so much junk about blacks, they feel superior to them, because they think of themselves as being the better race. They know theycan't call themselves white, so they do the next best thing, Indian. My ex got a speeding ticket one night. the cop wrote the ticket up, gave it to my ex. it had African ameri

I will take every opportunity to show what the majority of us do not know.

If you want to know some of the American History and Residential Schooling, please read on.

"For five consecutive generations, from roughly 1880–1980, Native American children in the United States and Canada were forcibly taken from their families and relocated to residential schools. The stated goal of this government program was to “kill the Indian to save the man.” Half of the children did not survive the experience, and those who did were left permanently scarred. The resulting alcoholism, suicide, and the transmission of trauma to their own children has led to a social disintegration with results that can only be described as genocidal."

Kill the Indian, Save the Man: The Genocidal Impact of American Indian Residential Schools by Ward Churchill.

He also wrote the following book: A little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americs 1492 to the Present.

I am again very disappointed in the Dr. Phil show. Laws are set up for women, and in many cases is necessary. However, what are fathers rights. I hate this happened to the adoptive parents but the father has a right to his biological child. Women can vow their love to a man and then decide she no longer loves him or does not want to live with him and make a life together and BOOM......father is out of the childs life. It is not fair for the dad. The Native American Tribe is a government and is obligated to extend a hand to the biological parent. This child in question, may very well be better off with her biological father. This is not about the adoptive parents, but the child. The child has a right to be raised by her father.  It seems to me  that the father thought it acceptable for his daughter to be raised by her mother, because she would be loved, but not to be adopted out. Why did the mother of the child have sex, give birth and not agree to marry the father? Sounds to me that she was the unfit parent. Father's rights are all but forgotten!!

I am really disappointed with this show.  I feel bad for the child and for the biological father and the adoptive parents.  All around this is a bad situation.  It could have been avoided if all of the bases would have been covered before the adoption took place.  Adoption in the US is not conducted in the right way.  It is all about money.  They try to make it look like they care about the best interest of children but that is not always the case.  Adoption agencies will to anything including coersion in order to get a child that can be adopted.  They victimize prospective adoptive parents by not making sure that all ties to the children are severed BEFORE the child is eligible to be adopted.  Then these adoptive parents and the children creat ties to each other and inevitiably become victims if the adoption doesn't work out.  


This biological father never relinquished his rights to his child.  The courts would not have awarded him custody of his daughter if they saw him as unfit.  It is best for a child to be raised in their own blood family if possible.  They relate to their blood relatives better than unblood relatives.  I am not just speaking off the top of my head.  If I went into my story, first of all it would take up too much room and time but believe me, I know.  


I do agree that the adoptive parents should have visitation and that they should all be as extended family.  I feel really sorry for Veronica.  She doesn't understand right now.  If everyone involved could show her how much she is loved by breaking the barriers and becoming an extented family by choice then I think that they could all show her what true love and maturity are all about.  They have the opportunity to set an example to her and to show her that she is important enough that they don't fight with each other so that they could all be a part of her life.

no2icwa, I am a victim of molestation, it did not happen on the reservation, it happened in a city located in Kansas, the man who molested me as a child was not Indian, but he was a police officer.. I was much safer on the rez where not one male ever sexually abused me, nor my children,

no2iwca...  Your comment of girls being molested on a reservation is just wrong and shows you do not know anything about reservation life.

Indian people are no different than other people when it comes to addiction, education, even molestation. To say it is "like a right of passage" I challenge you to go to a reservation town hall meeting and tell them what you wrote.

Learn something important here, very important... the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma where Baby Veronica is from, does not have a reservation... Do you understand that? They have a territory, but not a reservation.

As far as uneducated Indians go, I am Indian, I have a education, as do my sibblings, my brother is a doctor, one sister is a attorney, another sister is a paralegal, another sister is a teacher... On the Pine Ridge, one young Indian wants to be the President.

We know more than anyone else the problems that are on the reservation, and if you think removing the children is the cure, you are wrong.'

It has become common knowledge, that when a child is born, that is being adopted, the adoptive parents are only responsible for the medical costs relating to the birth of the child... but in Baby Veronica's case, the tax payers of Oklahoma paid for the birth of that child... all the whlle, the couple from SC were giving the birth mother money... thats illegal and considered human trafficking. The OBI and FBI should be investigating this!