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on Jun 6, 2012, 9:56PM -
In reply to empatheticmom
I have to agree. I was very disappointed in how he handled it.
It was obvious the mother was remorseful, and trying to find a way to bring the family back together.
That Shirley was just terrible, and her mother needs to walk away, and let her be, but I think she worries about her grandkidskids, as well she should.
on Jun 6, 2012, 9:38PM -
In reply to murlut
I so agree. That mother was at a breaking point the day that beating happened. She was worried sick about her daughter who car had been found, and Shirley probably gave her some smart ass attitude, and it was just the breaking point.
The youngest is definately the poison in the group, and her mom would be better off walking away for good. I'm also so disappointed in Dr Phil for not seeing through the two youngest daughters , and seeming to side with them.
on Jun 6, 2012, 9:29PM -
In reply to cdispatch44
Amen to that.
on Jun 6, 2012, 9:28PM -
In reply to rainybeloved
Goo dgrief..are you serious?
That woman cares about her kids, and has admitted she made mistakes.
Two of them are very manpiulative, and the youngest is a full of marcisstic attitude. She made my blood curdle just looking at her.
The mom would be better off letting go of the two youngest girls ..because its all about them.Boohoo.. the second is crying about a boy who crawled into bed with her, was petting her for quite some tmime before he started to finger her. She 14 for cryin ou loud, the minute he gets on the bed, is when you start yelling, not after. hes already been under your shirt , and kepy proceeding. She is lying and her mother was smart enough to see through her, " thought it was my mom looking for smokes" BS.
I feel so sorry for that mom.
on Jun 6, 2012, 9:20PM -
In reply to cookedfood
Thank god someone else saw what I saw. A spoiled narcisstic child, who should have never thrown a present at her mother on Christmas day.
on Jun 6, 2012, 9:18PM
It was truly sad to see that mother get the attitude from Shirley. That dughter had a hard look, and a very bad attitude.
I can see why the mom was so upset the day that her diaghters car was found abondoned by the road, and that youngest probally pushed her buttons till she cracked.
The fact that she would hurl back a Christmas present at her mothers face, shows what kind of ungrateful punk she is.
I was so dissapointed to see Dr. Phil seemingly side with them, because the daughter that complained of the sexual abuse that her mother did nothing about, isn't telling the whole story. At 14 someone doesn't start touching yout breasts, move unto getting into your pants, then get to stick a finger in you without you allowing it to get ther. Shame on her for not being honest and trying to make her mom look like the bad person. Why did she wait till it got that far before she went running to her moms room? Her mom did go after the guy but he had already took off.
on Jun 6, 2012, 8:16PM
This mother is getting a bad rap. I know she did wrong, but how many times are you supposed to apologize for what you have done wrong. We all make parenting mistakes. But those girls seem unforgiving. I would be heartbroken as a mom. She said she is sorry before, now and wants to do whatever she can to make this better. Having the guts to go on the show and humble herself is enough for me to see she is sorry.
Problems Can Be worked through
on Jun 6, 2012, 6:46PM
My wife was emotionally abused as a child pretty badly....and it was a long, long time ago. She has never forgotten it and it has caused some underlying problems in her life. Basically, her mother could not have cared less how the children (3) were raised. The family was very poor though well thought of in the community. She left home at 8 to go live with her grandmother just a couple of miles down the road and the parents never came to get her.
Her rencor towards her mother exists today, though she treats her well and takes care of her in her old age (80). I have to constantly remind her that the woman is her mother and to try and put those things in the past.. She has tried to have many conversations with her mother, but the mother refuses to acknowledge that she acted as she did when the children were being raised. One sister has almost no memory of her childhood, which I understand is symptomatic of child abuse. I think that she simply wants the mother to acknowledge how she acted and then she can let it go. But in the mother's mind, it never existed.
I think that she would have absolutely nothing to do with her mother if it wasn't for me pushing her to at least help her in her old age.....if nothing else but to ease her mind later on in her own life. The 3 children are extremely close, so the show doesn't match our situation.
Parents are not perfect and must be held accountable, but.....
on Jun 6, 2012, 6:17PM
The youngest daughter Shirley is the one with the narcissistic personality. I don't doubt the beating she endured from her mother is the source of alot of her anger, but, I believe her mother is sorry for what she did and has apologized to Shirley. Shirley seems to be a vindictive liar. Shirley knows her mom has apologized over and over yet she holds it over her head and makes her pay when she doesn't get her way. Shirley is rude and disrespectful and seems to get great pleasure in hurting her mother.
I believe there is more to the
. I do not believe children should be beaten. What I have a problem with is, Shirley said her mother doted on her when she was young and that after the night in question is when their relationship fell apart. What else happened that day? What was Shirley's part in agrument? Shirley admits she had the phone lines tied up. Is her attitude classic spoiled child behavior? Shirley doesn't deny her mother was there for her when she was pregnant and needed her help. She doesn't deny her mother apologized and tried to make amends. Since Christmas of 2010, when Shirley didn't get her way, the hostility resurfaces/continues.
Shirley has entitlement issues. She excuses her bad behavior by blaming her current reactions on what happened in the past. Classic narcissistic behavior.
on Jun 6, 2012, 4:17PM
My father died when I was 6 and my mother let my two older brother take over (disciplining) me. They physically, brutally abused me from age 7 - 14 until finally I stood up to one of them that day. Took me that long but I always thought I was worhtless and deserved it. I hated myself. My mother also beat me every once in a while for good measure too. As she got older and lost her second husband she started aligning herself to be with me. She arranged with my husband at the time to sell him her house for us and to let her convert the garage and move in there. All this arranged while I was away finishing a course. 8 years and 3 children later the marriage fell apart. My husband and I tried to start over in a new country but he basically dropped us there and left us. It was traumatic at first which is when I agreed to let my mother come over to help me. Wrong move entirely. As that would have been the only time in my life I was free of her. She took over my life. Buying a house for me but stating on the title that we were tenants in common. So I "could'nt kick her out" as she said. She continually undermined me as a parent and at her age, there is now no way out for me. She says she does not understand why I am so angry with her. She denies she ever beat me - well she says she remembers 'one or two times' . She says also that my brothers say they deny beating me. She can't understand why we can't have a loving kind relationship now and why can't I just get over whatever I think happened to me. Needless to say I have resigned myself to being stuck with her for the rest of my life. Almost 50 and still under her control. I would like to ask her to move into a senior residence but I cannot afford to buy out her part of the house. She would also tell the rest of the family who would then think I am even worse than they already think I am. We have flare ups all the time and now she says she will just stay in her room and only talk to the childhren. This is NOT the way I thought I would be spending my life. I vowed when I was 10 that someday I would get far away from all of them and here I am with her still. Sucks to be me.
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