Nathan’s father had another child 2 ½ years after Nathan. The boy is not a part of his life whatsoever, because Nathan’s father wanted nothing to do with him then, and now. The mother of the child was smart to get him away, and not allow him to be a part of the abusive and destructive environment. She is an amazing mother, and has done everything for that child on her own. He completely changed her life for the better. I know this is not always the case (i.e. Alex) but a GOOD mother makes their child their life. As for people who say Nathan’s father hasn’t had any more kids… you don’t know what you are talking about.

But I wouldn't be surprised. What an idjit. Gonna go turn on the speakers.

On the preview today Dr. Phil is heard asking Alex if she is concerned that she might be pregnant.
Hardly surprising - if it is Tony's, he is long gone for good no doubt.
And would Erin step up to take care of this one as well??
What a mess.

Alexandra - no money, no home, no children, no Tony. But what about Katherine?! Am I the only one who wants to know if she has gotten herself in order?

I'm interested in knowing if Katherine stopped using ( I don't think she was ever really abusing) grass and how she is doing in school.

Alex has pretty much shown that she has no interest in changing her behavior. If anything, it gets worse with every baby daddy and pregnancy.

Interested in how Nathan's ("God Gave Me) dad is doing. He looked as if he was really making a decent life for himself and his son.

"As unhappy as I am with Erin's hideous behavior in the delivery room-" ("Replied By: jennybrighteye on Dec 2, 2010, 12:08PM)


Erin was not permitted in the delivery room and therefore could not have behaved hideously or any other way in the delivery room. She was not present for this baby's birth.

What we saw in this show was Erin visiting when the baby had been removed from Alexandra, on learning he was born addicted to the drugs Alexandra consistently lied about taking while pregnant.

If viewers feel as outraged as has been expressed here by so many about a baby born addicted to drugs, it can only be imagined how a newborn's grandmother must feel on learning she's been repeatedly lied to about her daughter's drug use while pregnant, the consequences of which are serious neonatal medical conditions for her new grandson.  I think given the circumstances, Erin showed admirable restraint. Not to mention Erin is the one who (for the third time) stepped up to the plate to give a grandchild the best care she and Marty could provide when (for the third time) the baby's birth mother was unfit to do so. 

"While Erin KNEW that Alex was abusing drugs, she CHOSE to work on herself, get a face lift, go to a spa, go on an extended vacation. If I had a daughter, and strongly suspected that she was abusing street drugs while pregnant, working on my physical appearance would be the last, the very last thing on my mind. I guess that is just me, though.

We obviously do not share a similar value system." (Replied By: jennybrighteye on Dec 2, 2010, 11:48AM )


While Alexandra was pregnant she abused  drugs to the extent her third child was born addicted to them and faced serious neonatal health concerns due to her drug addiction and parental negligence. While I am not without compassion for Alexandra (drug addiction precludes all else), it is that third baby's welfare that trumps everything else. Without Erin's intervention, he would have been fostered out. Certainly Alexandra was in no condition to be a mother at that time.

I do agree it's obvious you and I do not share a similar value system.

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"This baby was the daughters brand new fresh start and while the mother believes this is suspect, she should give the daughter the benefit of the doubt or at least wait until the proper time to discuss these matters.  Nothing is to be gained by harassing a woman in labor.  This is not the time to try to resolve issues because getting the baby born is the priority." (doughmance)

I disagree Alexandra deserved any kind of "benefit of the doubt" when her own drug use resulted in birthing an addicted baby who required immediate and intensive medical attention as a newborn because of this. Alexandra's "fresh start" included drug addiction and parental negligence.

Also, how do you believe Erin could have "harrassed" Alexandra in the labour room when Erin was not permitted to be there?

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"What does bringing the daughter's drug abuse to light accomplish?" (doughmance)

Did you watch the same show as I did? I think there has to be some doubt.

Birthing a drug addicted baby is the direct result of the mother's drug use. Why do you believe this is not important or relevant?

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" How can you say that the child's own mother should not take care of her own child and then turn around and say the grandmother HAS to? She CHOOSES to keep her grandchildren.  She puts herself in the center. "  (doughmance)

Alexandra's third baby would have been removed from her whether or not Erin had been available to care for him (in addition to Alexandra's first two children, also removed from her). Alexandra gave birth to a drug addicted baby and childcare authorities will intervene in these circumstances when it is obvious the mother is not fit to be given custody. Erin cannot  choose to  keep her grandchildren. As outlined by Dr. Phil, petitions for custody have to be filed and approved by the authorities who could just as easily have decided to foster these children into strangers' homes.  Because of Erin (as far as we know from this months-old show) three siblings remain together in a stable and loving home. Compare this to the alternative you seem to favour: unemployed parents on welfare abusing drugs.


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" If she would have parented her own daughter when she should have, she would not be going through this now (And she'd have all that parenting stuff out of her system already from properly focusing on her daughter BEFORE they became the famous Dr. Phil family." (doughmance)

At what stage do you believe someone who has a history of drug abuse and has had three babies by three different fathers by her early 20's  needs to take responsibility for her own actions, do the work required to get better,  and stop blaming everyone else?

....such  a crowd in the labor and/or delivery rooms?

It's not the days when they wanted to check that the Queen's baby was the real McCoy and not a changling.

She doesn't have to take care of them. Just because they are her grandchildren, doesn't mean she is responsible.  How can you say that the child's own mother should not take care of her own child and then turn around and say the grandmother HAS to? She CHOOSES to keep her grandchildren.  She puts herself in the center.  If she would have parented her own daughter when she should have, she would not be going through this now (And she'd have all that parenting stuff out of her system already from properly focusing on her daughter BEFORE they became the famous Dr. Phil family.

What does bringing the daughter's drug abuse to light accomplish?  The daughter already knows she has taken drugs. The mother is suspicious.  Okay, she took drugs and everybody knows.  Now the problem is bigger because CPS will be involved. and they will be struggling with them.  I think it is better to try to solve problems within the family if possible. You are correct though--if he only has a third grade education.  My word!  I only saw that his mother was being supportive during the labor which was a wise thing to do and the thing that needed done.  Don;t you think these things are usually short-lived and the daughter will drow to realize the value of her own mother after dealing with this other family. Most well-to-do educated people I know, are having their children cared for by somebody with only a high school degree, if that.